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Back to the Future at NCAAs: Bring Back the W4x+
May 1, 2014
Ed Hewitt

Even the local Trader Joe's is on board

After several weeks of watching college crews race into and through almost every kind of unfortunate weather possible this spring, most of it including rough water and stiff headwinds, I felt compelled to air out an idea I have had for a couple years now.

It may seem a bit radical on the face of it, but the thing about a cockamamie idea is that you never know who will like it: cockamamie people may think it is cockamamie, and sensible people may think it is great -  and of course cockamamie people may think it great and sensible people think it cockamamie.  Which is all the more reason to float such an idea now and then, in this case one that I have had for some time, not least when out on the water covering racing for row2k. 


To wit: at the NCAA level in particular, ditch the varsity four, and instead race a coxed quadruple scull.  It sounds like an odd event, and one certainly without much precedent at the collegiate level, but the women's coxed quad was once an Olympic event (the US won it in 1984, the last time it was raced, so remains the Olympic champion in perpetuity).   I am not entirely certain, but the coxed designation for the women's quad may have been an artifact of a time that perhaps women were not thought capable of steering a boat themselves (no woman driver jokes here), but even if it was, I don't think it is retrograde to resurrect the event, for some of the reasons I outline below. 

 In much of Europe, the UK, and down under, the coxed quad is sometimes considered the canonical learning boat; in Australia, there are even hotly contested age group champions in the event.  It is also seeing a bit of a resurgence at big community and youth rowing clubs, especially in warmer climates, where lots of young people can get in coxed quads and learn the sport quickly and well. 


Having attended I would bet as many college races as anyone alive in the past eighteen spring seasons, I have seen some great coxed four races, but all told, have seen many more difficult coxed four races.  Given a bit of headwind, it is not unusual to have a decent DI varsity four go over eight minutes, even at the NCAA championship.

I have outlined some pros and cons that I hope provide some balance in what is really a non-existent debate at the moment, but I think would be interesting to consider.  Before diving in, please note that some of the example scenarios to follow are a bit harsh by design, in order to make the point most clearly; I hope not to get into a debate over the choice of scenarios, thanks.

Pros:

-Speed closer to that of an eight, so way easier to coach, train, do pieces alongside a 2V or 3V8, etc.
- probably a lot safer than fours in iffy conditions
- The skill factor vs a coxed four is probably overstated, as a coxed four is a really hard boat to row
- With coxed quad kids don't have to learn to toe a boat on unfamiliar courses, you don't lose a coxswain's spot, and the overall team head count stays the same
- 4x can be very fun to row
- Can be more fun to watch (in my opinion)
- Normalize and promote a bit of sculling inside the biggest and most well-funded programs (no hectoring lectures forthcoming from me on this point, thanks, we have all heard them many times over)
- Just having a bunch of sculling boats around the boathouse will lead to the "better" athletes doing some sculling one way or another, closing the ability gap
- Sculling is a good "life skill" that helps keep folks in the sport as they get older and have far fewer (if any) team boat options

Cons:
- Since it is still the "third boat" in the team heirarchy, sculling could end up a specialty of "lower-boat" athletes
- Could cause decreased mobility from boat to boat within the team, and odd incentives for athletes not to be moved up or down in the overall program (a couple possible scenarios as examples here: a kid who is a solid 2V candidate meets resistance on moving up from the 4x because she is a better sculler than the other 2V8 candidates, so gets negatively rewarded for sculling well by not getting a shot at the 2V; another might be that a kid who is a 5V person at best but rowed the 1x throughout HS because she couldn't get along with anyone alive could end up in V4x due to sculling ability, and a kid with better athleticism/potential/attitude/whatever ends up being bested simply due to less specific sculling experience)
- Recruiting could become even more complicated as teams try to balance sculling skills versus athleticism
- Setting up regattas with teams that have mismatched numbers could be difficult (for example, could see Team A having  a V8, 2V8, V4x, 3V8, 4V4+; and Team B having V8, 2V8, V4x, V4xB, V4+ -  and having  lower boat kids row a different event almost every week)
- Expense of purchasing and retrofitting current fours with sculling riggers, or purchasing two sets of riggers on a every new convertible 4+/4x, could be quite high
- Taken to extreme, might need an entire secondary fleet of fours to do seat-racing, fall racing, etc.
- Though it is likely, but there is no guarantee that a coxed quad is going to be a whole lot faster than a coxed four

The history of the four event at NCAAs is a bit of a twisting but illustrative one, as it was originally intended to give teams that did not qualify to send their eights a chance at least to send a four.  Roughly it went like this: after originally having the top four athletes from a few programs race against athletes 17-20 from all the team qualifier programs, the overall field was expanded to include a four from all qualifying programs, and the championship composition of the four shifted instead to become the third boat from all programs, with no programs sending only a four.  

 Ever since, the presence of the four has been the topic of occasional debate, with some general expansion discussions weighing a third varsity eight versus simply adding more teams overall.  When a change in the rules for football a couple years ago resulted in the expansion of the NCAA field to 24 teams selected through automatic qualifiers, the discussion of the V4 vs 3V8 quieted down a bit, but will likely return.  And I do like the idea of swapping the third varsity eight for the fours, mainly because it expands the overall field, and becomes a lot easier to teach, coach, and train for programs that don't have five coaches and a placid lake to row on.

 

 Anyway, this cockamamie idea may or may not gain any traction whatsoever, but there you go.



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Jamie Whalen
05/06/2014  7:42:29 AM
For all the reasons favoring coxed flat water racing quads Ed mentions above, and a few more, I have been recommending that clubs and school programs seriously consider investing in the new composite, sliding seat, Coastal Rowing coxed quads/fours. Filippi makes an especially attractive one with racing shell fittings. And FISA is now sanctioning world championships for Coastal Rowing: http://www.worldrowing.com/news/first-medals-for-the-worlds-top-coastal-rowers  These are modern racing boats for rough water conditions being rowed by serious athletes. They would be ideal for clubs or programs near open bodies of water and in northern climates. They could used for training novices with coaches sitting in the full sized coxswain seats, as well as for training experienced crews in adverse conditions that would normally require more time on ergs. I have coached sweep and sculling on Lake Mendota, Lake Michigan, the Mississippi river near Iowa and the Intercoastal waterway in Florida and have known many days when I wish I had a couple Coastal Rowing quads.


curbanczyk
05/04/2014  2:27:03 PM
I am a fan of any idea that brings sculling to American collegiate rowing. I think that it's absence is a glaring void that has hindered United States rowing on a national and international stage. And linking the junior level (which promotes sculling) with masters and elite teams (which often promote sculling) with the addition of college level sculling provides developmental continuity. I have to disagree on abandoning the V4+ however. Personally this has always been my favorite shell, but more importantly, the current NCAA system wildly favors huge teams, and short shrifts those smaller programs that may only be able to field one fast eight or one fast four. ( I'm remembering very distinctly and fondly Stanford women's V8, NCAA champs circa 2008). Removing "at-large" boat entries from championships was sort of the last nail in the coffin for teams that simply don't have the necessary depth. I like 123wisco's proposition that collegiate championships mimic World and Olympic events by emphasizing the importance of each independent boat class, and doing away with this artificial concept that eights are the only tier one boat class and everything else is a second tier or less worthy event class.


123wisco
05/03/2014  10:49:50 AM
Ed, (and everyone else) Great thoughts to get some sculling included in the US College system at the highest level, but what would really make a great deal of sense is to scrape all together the notion of the Second 8. Why not simply make the NCAA Championships and for that matter the IRA and the ACRA look like other National, World and Olympic events. 8+, 4+, 4x, 2x, 2- and 1x. By making the NCAA Rowing Championships look like the USRowing Club, and Elite National Championships, the World Championships and oh my gosh crazy thought here, the Olympics. The sell of the sport to Athletic Departments and the media and other athletes would sure make sense. If you look at those boats, the numbers of athletes would be exactly the same as currently accounts for a travel team on the NCAA Championships. By then also changing the format of qualifying to be an individual team sport and the need to qualify each boat this would increase the number of teams that would qualify for the NCAA and therefore increase all sorts of opportunities for athletes of all sizes and backgrounds and of course give coaches the opportunity to compete at any level. Rowing is the only NCAA sponsored sport that does NOT look like the Olympics. Swimming, Track and Field, and so on.

Thanks for reading and thanks for stirring up the status quo but the real cockamamie concept is having a JV event at the NCAA.


sul
05/02/2014  3:59:51 PM
It's not as crazy an idea as, oh, having the NCAA national champion NOT the team that one the V-8! :^)

Another pro you can add to the discussion is 'keeping cox's employed'.

Nobody is a bigger advocate for sculling than I am but frankly college programs are ill suited for small boat competition in the college season. programs like Wisco and Udub have the right idea, have a summer program of small boats only, make a campaign out of it and teach the kids.

The huge positives for collegiate rowing is the numbers of participants, safety and economy in coaching of the big boats, and the result of this has been programs that have developed over the generations with enough alumni to fully support these programs.

Sculling in doubles and quads is no closer to learning to scull than rowing eights. the boats row easily enough that the kids can pound away like they do in the eights, it's something that's readily doable for college programs, but you aren't getting the benefit of learning to scull that many think you do. Yes, you're using two instead of one oar, but it's frankly easier for them to learn in those boats than switching sides, for example.

Until you campaign in a single or pair, actually do a full season of racing at a high level trying to make that small boat go, you haven't learned what you need to learn from those boats to apply to your rowing at large.

I disagree with one 'pro', I don't think the coxed quad is marginally much closer in speed to the eights to make the training sessions that much easier to do, they're actually closer in speed to the fours/w than to the eights. You'd have the same sort of coaching requirements. Add a 'con' in that fours are useful for the top two eights for seat racing, training, etc, and since you'd need more than one quad for selection, you'd end up doubling your fleet of cox 4/quad shells, or constantly re-rigging.

Also, FYI, Romania won gold in '84. US silver.

The other 'con' in there is obvious, I think the coxed quad would be much more attractive to ppl if it wasn't a legacy from a male dominated sport that harbored gross prejudices in that day. I think if it were a 'new thing' it might have a chance of flying.

all in all, not a bad idea, Ed.


sul
05/02/2014  4:00:34 PM
eeks, tried to format to make it readable! it's one big blob.



jfo5039
05/02/2014  9:35:28 AM
Anything that can be done to put sculling on the collegiate level is only good news for the United States when it comes to international racing.


Mitch
05/01/2014  10:13:14 PM
2 people like this
Literally no one under the age of 40 wants to row in a coxed sculling boat.


CoachD
05/01/2014  12:04:43 PM
First thing: so, by NCAA, you mean Division 1. Second, as a geezer, I would hate to see a move back to a time when women were going 1K in coxed quads. Third, yes, the coxed quad is a learner's boat .. for year 8s and year 9s on the Yarra River. Fourth, at our college program, and for the last 7 summers, I have watched young women steer quads quite competently on the Charles and Fish Creek. Fifth, the quad is great fun; the coxed quad is about as enjoyable to watch as the coxed pair. Sixth, it's a great idea which just needs a little work.


Larz
05/01/2014  2:51:18 PM
#1: I think Ed meant 2K races for the 4x+ #4: It's not a question steering ability. More an issue of equipment costs: most programs have 4+ hulls that could be used as 4x+ simply by buying sculling riggers, but the 4- hulls necessary for conversion to 4x are less common. #5:. One could simply omit the cox from a 4x+ setup but then steering modifications would be needed. After this conversion, it would be harder to use the same boat as a 4+ for training purposes. A 4x+ can easily be switched to a 4+.



Larz
05/01/2014  9:20:53 AM
Why not M4x+ as well?

Additional cost of another set of riggers is probably about $2000 guessing from the Hudson and Kaschper websites.

Scullers wanting to move from the 4x+ into the 2V8 might have the advantage of being able to row either side???



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